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Another member called me up this week and asked if I would be interested in accompanying him to OSH next year in his 175. That got me thinking, and I wonder how many people would be interested in doing a 60th anniversary fly-in to OSH next year? We did the 50th in 2008 and I felt like it was successful even though we only had a handful (8-9) members' planes show up. 

Maybe we could publicize it better this time and get a group of 20 or so planes in to the event. 

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Well Erik, we are planing on going since didn't make it this year so count N175VC in at this point.. My daughter and I did the 75th J-3 Cub group flyin five years ago and was a blast.  I question that the EAA would allow a group flyin unless numbers were large. Reserve parking together would be even better. Les

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@Les Cashmere I do not know if the EAA will allow the group to come in at once, but that is not neccessary. What we did in 2008 was to get group parking. But we all had too arrive within a certain period of time. Or they gave the parking away. I coordinated the arrival of all the participants with the EAA parking director. It was a challenge. I could do it again I imagine if they will allow it once more.

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It sounds good to me. We camped at 125 Vintage and it was perfect, just past the last shuttle stop, so very few "tourists" down there, very peaceful in the evenings. They built a brand new Red Barn about a 2 1/2 minute walk down so shopping was very easy.

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OK, so we have interest from:

  • Erik Hoopes
  • John Fry
  • Glen Bradley
  • Les Cashmere
  • Brad Rose

Keep the comments up anyone who is interested. I will need 15 people to verbally commit by the end of the year before I will go to the EAA and request a reserved parking area for "The Skylark Association - 60th Anniversary Flight to OSH."

Usually we have about a 50% success rate so if 15 people say  they are coming I expect 7-8 to actually arrive on time/at all. Having 5 of us from the forum probably warrants a bulk email invitation to the whole club, and then if we get a few more that way I'll consider a mailer to registered owners.

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I am not quite able to firmly commit at this time but am definitely interested. Add me to the list as a firm definite maybe. ;-)

I also have a Stinson and have been in two EAA approved Stinson Mass Arrivals. The type club coordinated with EAA and the FAA and we had an actual group arrival, a half mile in trail formation of twenty airplanes - our string of planes was therefore about ten or fifteen miles long and they assigned us an arrival window and in that window we owned one runway and just did a long straight in approach rather than the normal Ripon arrival. The number one plane was almost parked by the time number last landed. And to top it off, we had reserved parking. It was grand! In 2015 we did our most recent Mass Arrival and it was to honor the 70th anniversary of the Stinson 108 series of airplanes. I will attempt to attach a picture of our reserved parking sign for that event and also a picture of some of the parked planes. It was really fun having a bunch of airplane crazies all camping together with their planes! Mine is the red one with a white stripe three planes up from where the photo was taken. We had three rows.

To do a group arrival you need to get together at an outlying airport and practice the group arrival proceedures. The FAA (and indirectly, the EAA through coordination) actually issue the group an official waiver to the normal OSH procedures. The waiver includes specific requirements to brief the group and do practice formation takeoffs, enroute travel and landings. The waiver allows you to have multiple aircraft taking off and/or landing on the same runway at the same time and spells out what needs to be done for practice and for the actual day of arrival.

We gathered at Watertown, WI (KRYV) the day before the arrival date and briefed as a group and then did practice formations in groups of about 5 planes each. We used pilots who had military formation experience and/or previous group arrival experience to do the briefings and fly as lead pilot in the practice formations. The FBO and airport management at RYV were very helpful and cooperative and there are two hotels across the street from the airport that folks could stay in. They also allowed camping with the plane for anyone who wanted to do that. I elected to stay in the hotel and enjoy one last private shower before camping at OSH.

Some members of the Stinson group so enjoyed the arrivals that they meet every year at Watertown and do an informal arrival - they practice the day before, spend the night and take off as a group and do a trail formation to Ripon and do the usual arrival. The lead plane advises the controllers that he is leading a group of eight or ten or whatever and they've been very good about routing the entire group to land on one runway one after the other rather than breaking up the group. Because they landed as a group and therefore taxied in as a group they ended up parking with each other even though they did not have reserved parking. I have not done that yet but the guys who have say it works pretty well and they like it. The only problem they've had is other pilots bulling their way into the line as they approach Ripon - some pilots are just nasty about forcing their way into a spot that is not really big enough for them to safely slip into. The Stinson group had no choice but to widen out the formation in that area and tolerate the intruder. And, they had to do it in radio silence by looking out the window and just doing what had to be done since the procedures call for radio silence. They did, by the way, check ahead of time and were told it was ok for the lead plane to speak and advise the controllers of the planes in the group when they got to the first location where the controllers talk to the airplanes. The rest of the group did the usual wing rocking thing to acknowledge the controllers but the first plane did speak to let them know the situation.

I am interested in participating in either type of group arrival - a planned group with a waiver and procedures or an informal group that flies the Ripon arrival one after the other. Reserved parking would be really nice to have for either type of arrival.

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That is great information Robert, thanks for sharing. The pictures look fun!!! Perhaps as time draws closer you can become one of our organizers if you decide to join us.

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I certainly cannot commit to that right now, Erik. I'm not even sure the time and money situation will let me go to OSH at all next summer. We'll see.

I understood the program and knew enough to outline it for the group, but I was not the person that set it up with the FAA and the EAA. I did end up being the guy in charge of the formation (both running the briefings and practices the day before and also serving as lead pilot for the actual arrival). The person who was gonna do it had to cancel at the last minute and they drafted me as a former military guy with large formation experience. It was fun.

So, I'll help if I can but as a worker ant, not as the person setting the whole thing up.

Since we're talking about formations and since I've figured out how to put pictures on here, I'll add a picture of my most fun formation work. In 1976 I flew a C-141A as the support plane for the Thunderbirds. It was an experiment to see if the larger plane (they usually used a C-130 support bird) was worth the expense. I flew with them for two weeks and it was a blast! It did not take long for the T-bird guys to realize that the 141, unlike the 130, could go fast enough that they could fly formation with us in the formation. At one point they put the team photographer in the spare plane and had him take pictures. In the end it was decided that the larger and faster plane was nice but not worth the extra expense. I surely had a fun two weeks, however! My Co-pilot almost had an orgasm when we were the lead plane and he could say he was Thunderbird One on the radio. Normally we were Thunderbird One Four, which was cool enough.

 

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Count me in.

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On 9/13/2017 at 10:29 AM, Erik Hoopes said:

OK, so we have interest from:

  • John Fry/Erik Hoopes
  • Glen Bradley
  • Les Cashmere
  • Brad Rose
  • Marcos Santana
  • Clayton Harper

 

 

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  • John Fry/Erik Hoopes
  • Glen Bradley
  • Les Cashmere
  • Brad Rose
  • Marcos Santana
  • Clayton Harper
  • Rodney Fernow

We only need to reach 10 for me to start making plans, I will send out at club email and encourage anyone who is going to OSH next year to sign up.

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Super!

  • John Fry/Erik Hoopes
  • Glen Bradley
  • Les Cashmere
  • Brad Rose
  • Marcos Santana
  • Clayton Harper
  • Rodney Fernow
  • Ryan Nelson
  • Jamie Qunell

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  • John Fry/Erik Hoopes
  • Glen Bradley
  • Les Cashmere
  • Brad Rose
  • Marcos Santana
  • Clayton Harper
  • Rodney Fernow
  • Ryan Nelson
  • Jamie Qunell
  • Jim Swanson

Thats 10. I'll start working on the event details and a plan to submit to EAA. What do you think, should we try for the group fly-in or just group parking?

@john fry @Glen Bradley @Les Cashmere @9er2Tango @Marcos Santana @Clayton Harper @Rod Fernow @Ryan Nelson @Corndogg @Jim Swanson

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Unless something drastic happens I'm going again next year. My only thought is, I seen what the Cub group and a few others went through this year. Were they parked it was crazy with people, they couldnt get a moments peace. Does anybody have any idea of the location they would put us?

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The 2008' 50th anniversary group was parked in Vintage and it was great- Close enough but not too close. I don't have any idea where they would put us this time but I can certainly ask for Vintage if they don't offer it. 

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They have extended the trolly/bus line in Vintage and built a new Red Barn at the south end. We camped at 125, the bathrooms and water line up on that row with also a entrance from the road. 2 min walk north to the Trolly and showers and 2 min walk south to the Red Barn, lots of food there. Not many "tourists" down there, very quiet.

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  • John Fry/Erik Hoopes
  • Glen Bradley
  • Les Cashmere
  • Brad Rose
  • Marcos Santana
  • Clayton Harper
  • Rodney Fernow
  • Ryan Nelson
  • Jamie Qunell
  • Jim Swanson
  • Dean Gilderoy

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